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well good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the forkshop

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forker

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joined tonight by lon strickler and our

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guest this evening is going to be cosmic

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ray keller lon welcome to the show

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tonight

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that's a great name in it cosmic ray i

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love it

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yeah oh i'm doing okay it's uh

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starting to get cold finally that just

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got done telling me

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i make it two to three foot of snow this

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weekend so i'm not

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happy yeah i'm sorry i didn't mean to

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burst your bubble there that was my

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fault

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[Laughter]

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yeah i am not a snow lover he's like why

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snow's only good for one thing track and

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deer that's all i've ever said

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and that's about it i mean and uh other

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than that it's not much to it

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well let me tell you it's so cold here

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if anybody in florida finds my balls

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will they please ship them back to me

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[Laughter]

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it is cold it's cold

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it really is i mean it's too cold even

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down here the maryland piedmont it got

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i don't know it is it's it's uh it's

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really cold

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yeah well it's gonna be a couple more

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months before we escape that yeah

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really but man it's been a busy week

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it's been a busy two weeks i mean it's

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been busy for you i mean you

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open the new business up that's a lot

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and uh

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things look like they're going pretty

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good though don't they yeah i mean i'm

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excited

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laura and i my wife opened up a new

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store downtown williamsport pennsylvania

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called the altra boutique quality

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women's and children's clothing

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and our new studio is going to be

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upstairs so it's

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going to work out for everyone sure

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yeah i'm looking forward to that and

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uh you know maybe we get things going a

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little bit better here

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it's been kind of iffy but you know our

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last show just kind of

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went totally south i don't know what the

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hell happened well that was weird

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i still well i think it was i think it

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was we had an empty attack myself

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but who knows well i don't know what we

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had but i wish it would leave you alone

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yeah i i don't know what i don't know

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what it is either you know i've been

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checking the lines and just making sure

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everything's okay

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and uh i mean everything seems okay i've

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been doing

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everything on the lines and it you know

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seems like it's fine so who knows

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but anyway what

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what's new with you other than the store

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and feel our odds and ends

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well we got bigfoot reports coming in

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here very slowly

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uh yeah yeah the first week of february

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we're having our

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keystone bigfoot kickoff meeting which

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you know about of course

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yeah that's right we're gonna get this

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project going full steam

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i don't forget about it but uh yes i got

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the

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keystone bigfoot project can go to

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keystonebigfoot.com i'm the

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principal investigator director of the

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project lon's one of our advisors

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always looking for people to join up we

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want to have boots on the ground

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we want to have as much data as possible

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it's a real scientific look

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into the bigfoot phenomena where we're

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looking at the data

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for patterns so we can get better

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deployment

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maybe get ourselves a position to see a

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before one's actually in the area i

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don't know that's what we're working at

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you're keeping the name yeah we're gonna

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keep the name for the project

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okay i think it's important that we uh

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stick with one name for the project

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yeah yeah i got a uh

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i i i had a bigfoot report well i came

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off a radio show but uh

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yeah let's talk about that that's uh i

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don't know what the hell that was all

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about but

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apparently this guy was up there in um

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up there at the erie wildlife sanctuary

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or preserve or something

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and i want to look you know on the map

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and then look on the internet about this

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place this seems like a pretty nice

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place got a lot of elk and stuff but

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waterfowl

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i forget where he was from that's i

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don't know but anyway

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he was he was in pennsylvania he was up

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there on uh

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helping out so he had his rv

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uh hooked up and everything and uh

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apparently the local bigfoot didn't like

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him being there

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and they were pelting the pelting the rv

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with stones and out there

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yelling and screaming and whistling and

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making all kinds of racket scared the

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hell out of guy

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and uh that's what he gets well

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he said that he said he had the rv up on

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a hill

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bigfoot

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were situated down the valley and for

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some reason they just didn't like him up

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he said one night they were pushed you

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took the rv and just were

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rocking it back and forth he said it was

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slamming him up against the wall was

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rocking that bed

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so um you know this went on for several

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the guy couldn't get any sleep

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eventually he had to pull out of it

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i got it i posted it today so uh

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many of the readers will have it

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tomorrow in the newsletter

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yeah it was an interesting tale and in

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fact i spoke to a couple other bigfoot

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researchers to see if they had anything

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about this

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guy and uh he does have a youtube

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not really new to big footing but

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he's having some experiences now some

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he doesn't have very credible evidence

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and i haven't looked at the evidence

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myself yet lon so i can't really make

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that assessment

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but it's an interesting story

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and look at it i didn't even know if he

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had it up there yet but i guess

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and see but uh yeah i mean he said in

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the article that uh well

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i have to go and take a look at it

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myself and once i see it i guess i'll

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make my own assessment on it we can talk

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but it's not the first time we heard

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uh bigfoot attacking an rv in

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no no we haven't i mean referring to the

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guy in dauphin county

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yeah last name reed yeah

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and i don't know about that but i and

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that's what he said happened so

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i don't know if folks if you hear any

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scratching on the line tonight i

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i'm not used to it yet so it's like

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scratching on my face i apologize

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yeah anyway we got i did get some really

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weird stuff this

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past couple weeks um

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no man i got rakes and

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dog men in new york and i read that

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that dog man in new york story is pretty

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cool that is pretty wild

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the date is what's cool yeah yeah it

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really is let me let me go ahead and

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it was um i got this from a guy by the

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name of gerald's new jersey

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i don't know how old gerald is but he

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must have some age to him

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anyway he said sir i would like to pass

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along a true story

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told to me by my grandfather when i was

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the story involves my great grandfather

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whose name was james mcnamara

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he was a patrolman in the new york city

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this incident occurred in october of

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during the late evening hours james was

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assigned to the theater district

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42nd street another patrolman by the

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he said theatergoers were walking about

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enjoying the great white way

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when suddenly there were screams

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both patrolmen ran toward the ruckus

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forcing it away through hundreds of

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as they reached the alleyway a tall

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neither patrol believed what they saw

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an eight foot tall wolf with human-like

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a new york city packard squad car so it

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the beast was growling as it moved

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the patrolmen took positions by a

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hiding and waiting for the horrible

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creature to move before them

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soon the beast was at the entrance of

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another alleyway near 42nd street

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both patrolmen pulled their revolvers

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the beast quickly dropped to the gutter

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immediately mcnamara and

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dobbins surrounded the body as other

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officers joined them

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none of the public was allowed to come

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within a hundred foot of the unknown

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the body was quickly removed and taken

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both patrolmen were placed on other

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the squad was told by their superiors

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that this was simply mistaken identity

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and that the deceased was a man in

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of course that was not the truth the

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a few months later a brief article was

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published in the louisiana newspaper the

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st

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mary banner in franklin louisiana

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and picked up by a few other media

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outlets

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now i i went and dug out this article

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i'm kind of surprised i found it but uh

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it you know it's pretty close to what he

292
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was saying there was a few odds and ends

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that weren't

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but uh that's pretty basically what

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that's basically what happened

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now they uh the article i mean the

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article itself

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was fairly short but it said it was new

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york no sign remained

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in the broadway theater district the

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next morning following the scenes that

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were enacted there

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one night when a maddening beast charged

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up and down spreading terror

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and consternation causing handsomely

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gowned women to faint and strong men to

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leave their cocktails untouched

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and flee for safety that line with the

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burning tail that broke loose during the

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coney island fire

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last spring was a team affair in

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comparison with the broadway monster

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the beast is described in the police

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blotter as a large terrier

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but it is evident that the police were

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anxious to minimize the seriousness of

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the panic

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hundreds of witnesses will testify that

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the animal is at least eight foot tall

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its foaming mouth and wicked fangs were

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too terrible for description

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the beast was seen first up at broadway

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and 42nd street

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with a blood-curdling bow wow it rushed

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up to a beautiful woman

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as her companion rushed to her

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assistance and fearlessly planted a kick

328
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in the monster's hindquarters

329
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uh kia i screwed the wild thing as it

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tore

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off down broadway at 40th street two

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boys with the full heartiness

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of youth tried to seize the animal by

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its tail

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the beast turned upon them and bathed

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horribly

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on the 39th on to 39th street

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scattering pedestrians right and left

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race the great

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dog if indeed if dog indeed it was

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at the corner he emitted a wine that was

342
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even more terrifying in its growl and

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turned back

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the way it come as the beast ran back

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patrolling mcnamara and dobbins drew the

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revolvers

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dobbins shot straight and through and

348
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the monster keeled over in the gutter

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the police have offered no further

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statements and i couldn't find anything

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else about this thing

352
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so they shut that up pretty good

353
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uh there was a there was another article

354
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later on in the whole brook

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news in old brick arizona but

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i tell you there was there was nothing i

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could find

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anywhere in the east or even around new

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york or new jersey or anywhere

360
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yeah they did but that was pretty cool

361
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i love the age of these articles lon i

362
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really do i

363
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that too and i just love the way they

364
00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:09,040
you know the journalism the way they

365
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speak i mean the way they write stuff

366
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:14,560
it's uh you know i don't know it's kind

367
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of a sensationalist type thing

368
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:20,399
but for whatever reason i think to hit

369
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her on the mark just

370
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this time around so um i don't know

371
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you know it's kind of hard to believe as

372
00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:29,680
something could happen

373
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in the middle of the city like that even

374
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though it was over 100 years ago

375
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and not be a lot of record about it but

376
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you know who knows well you know the

377
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leaf cocktail said

378
00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:47,430
that thing should have been shot for

379
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that ruining a good cocktail hour

380
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but what if it was something more than

381
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just a dog man

382
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lawn what if it was one of those cases

383
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of a werewolf

384
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i don't know you know that's the first

385
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thing i thought

386
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you know that's that's exactly what i

387
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thought maybe it was a

388
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you know maybe it's a weir or a werewolf

389
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or something i don't know

390
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:12,399
you know the more i start to watch about

391
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uh

392
00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:14,880
documentaries on these things the more i

393
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:16,480
really wonder

394
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that i don't know [\h__\h]

395
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:25,040
well you know

396
00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:27,920
all we can do is just take the reports

397
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and investigate the best we can

398
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um you know

399
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:39,120
this the cryptids phenomena in general

400
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i i believe there's some type of uh

401
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,240
well you know i say interdimensional but

402
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:46,079
you know there's a multiverse thing

403
00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:47,759
going on somewhere i did that's the only

404
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:49,279
thing i can figure i hate

405
00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,959
there's there's it's got to be tight you

406
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:52,399
know just like bigfoot and everything

407
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:53,120
else

408
00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:55,120
yeah why don't we you know why don't we

409
00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,320
see bodies why don't we

410
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,240
you know they disappear so quickly and

411
00:16:02,550 --> 00:15:59,920
such you know where

412
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,560
they're coming in somewhere i mean how

413
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,360
is it i mean how's this thing

414
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:07,680
just drop in the middle of new york city

415
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:08,399
you know i'm saying

416
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:10,000
right right in midtown you know what i'm

417
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:12,160
saying yeah it's something

418
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,959
i mean that's right by well it's about

419
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:16,639
five blocks south of

420
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:19,759
times square so broadway

421
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,399
yeah yeah so who's the internet who

422
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,279
figures how'd this thing get in there

423
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:26,959
i don't know well it could have lost it

424
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:29,759
but well i could i guess but yeah

425
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,959
it's it is a story that's kind of

426
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:33,759
verified

427
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,320
and you know and i didn't talk to i

428
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,920
didn't talk to the witness

429
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,079
i just wrote him back and you know he

430
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:41,680
verified it by that but

431
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,120
i had a few questions for him but

432
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:47,199
he said if you can find an article but

433
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,160
he said i don't know if you're going to

434
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:50,160
be able to find anything he said i've

435
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,600
checked well i went to the library in

436
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:53,600
congress and found it

437
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:57,360
they've got a uh they've got a

438
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:01,120
uh an archive there with special

439
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:04,240
newspapers special stories

440
00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:05,520
and if you you know if you go into the

441
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:08,559
whole paper say there's a special

442
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,120
headline for the newspaper well they

443
00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:12,720
just don't put the headline up there

444
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:16,000
they put the whole paper in there so

445
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,360
uh that whole day's edition so you know

446
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,120
now this thing was on the front page

447
00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:22,799
this was kind of like

448
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:25,839
back in the fourth and fifth page and

449
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:30,000
but i mean it just didn't get a new york

450
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:31,600
paper

451
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:34,640
so we'll have to keep looking out for

452
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:36,080
more of these lawn

453
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,000
yeah i am going to look out for i mean

454
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:40,080
that kind of stuff really fascinates me

455
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,840
as our never ending quest for the dog

456
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:43,600
man continues

457
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:47,600
yeah now i got something else the other

458
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,400
day

459
00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,720
i called the weird man with black eyes

460
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:51,679
now oh

461
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:54,880
this this was really strange

462
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:58,160
so um here goes

463
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,520
uh hello sir i came across one of your

464
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,520
reports concerning black-eyed kids in

465
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:05,360
pennsylvania

466
00:18:08,909 --> 00:18:07,280
my cousin and i had a very weird

467
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:08,919
experience in september

468
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,039
2011. we both lived in a town

469
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:15,440
of wolverine michigan and our dads are

470
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:16,400
brothers

471
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:17,840
my cousin and i have been hunting and

472
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:19,840
camping together since we were 12 years

473
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:20,640
old

474
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,840
uh we're two months apart in age we had

475
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,600
graduated from high school that spring

476
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:27,280
and planned to go camping later in the

477
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:28,480
summer

478
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,000
we finally got permission to use my

479
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:33,120
dad's pop-up camper and headed off

480
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,280
we planned to stay a week or so at a

481
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:37,679
place southwest of mackinac city

482
00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,640
in the forest near the state park we

483
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,559
drove back into the woods about four

484
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:44,559
miles off the main road

485
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,760
and set up in a small clearing now we

486
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:50,880
both thought the area looked familiar

487
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:53,200
but could not recall when we had been

488
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,200
there it was weird because we both

489
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:56,960
commented at the same time

490
00:19:01,830 --> 00:18:59,840
to each other uh we really didn't have

491
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:01,840
much plan to do other than be together

492
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:02,320
in

493
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:09,520
so we didn't know when we'd see each

494
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,720
other again

495
00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,400
i'll be honest for the camping the

496
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,080
camping trip was a good excuse to get

497
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,200
away from my girlfriend for a while

498
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,600
uh we didn't do much that first night

499
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:22,080
other than drink a few beers and talk

500
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,990
the next morning we decided to explore

501
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,440
the area we started

502
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,640
about 10 and 10 a.m and headed west

503
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,559
towards the lake

504
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,799
we had been walking no more than an hour

505
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:38,000
when we heard someone

506
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,039
yelling ahead of us now it didn't sound

507
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,120
like they were in trouble

508
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:45,200
so we cautiously continued walking

509
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,640
toward the sound

510
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,320
after 10 minutes or so the yelling

511
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:50,640
stopped and we never saw anyone

512
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,440
i had a gps with me so i figured we'd be

513
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,919
able to find a way back pretty easy

514
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,080
we did get crossed up a few times but we

515
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,120
got back to the campsite late afternoon

516
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,200
uh there was a small creek nearby so we

517
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,400
washed up and started cooking dinner

518
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,280
as we sat to eat there was a sound of

519
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,120
something moving through the trees

520
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,600
north of us there are a lot of small

521
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:15,760
animals in the area so i figured that's

522
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,840
what it was a few minutes later we heard

523
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,120
thrashing sounds

524
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,840
like something was sweeping at small

525
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:25,919
trees and brushes

526
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,039
bushes excuse me since we were eating i

527
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,039
thought maybe a black bear got wind of

528
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,320
our food whatever it was it was it soon

529
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,880
stopped but every once in a while it

530
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,720
would start up again

531
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,240
now that night we could hear the

532
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,200
sweeping sound coming from the same area

533
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,400
which really seemed odd to us

534
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,400
the next morning it was quiet so we

535
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,000
walked into the direction of the noise

536
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,919
from the previous night

537
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,679
we didn't see anything but it did look

538
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,520
like something had to kick up the ground

539
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,280
in a few places

540
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,320
we walked back to the campsite

541
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,640
and started to eat breakfast i just

542
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,600
wanted coffee so i went into the pop-up

543
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:08,320
and searched for a coffee cup as i was

544
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:09,919
in there i heard my cousin say

545
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:12,880
something i asked what he wanted he

546
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,520
replied to that better get out there

547
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,120
i looked through the netting and there

548
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:19,840
was a tall man with a black track suit

549
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,240
standing at the edge of the clearing

550
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,400
i stepped out and asked the man if we

551
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:27,679
could help him

552
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,919
he smiled and said maybe i can help you

553
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,600
my cousin and i both looked at each

554
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,600
other and kind of laughed

555
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:38,640
the man started to slowly walk toward us

556
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,520
and i asked what he wanted he stopped

557
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,720
walking and was about 15 foot from us

558
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,679
now right away i noticed that his eyes

559
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,000
were totally black

560
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,559
and that the tracksuit had had caked mud

561
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,080
and dirt on it

562
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,960
i asked who he was he smiled and said

563
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,960
i'm just taking a walk and meeting

564
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,280
people

565
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,679
by this teeny time i was freaked out and

566
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,760
my cousin walked toward the pop-up

567
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,480
i knew he was going to grab his shotgun

568
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,400
uh the man got a serious look on his

569
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,720
face like he since we were alarmed

570
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,280
so he turned and walked towards the

571
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,640
woods

572
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,559
at the edge of the clearing he stopped

573
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,240
and turned around and said

574
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,640
i'll be seeing you boys later and

575
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,159
started to laugh

576
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:27,600
as he moved towards the woods well we

577
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,159
didn't need

578
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,039
another confirmation like that so um our

579
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,960
confrontation like that so we

580
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,799
gathered everything and hauled ourselves

581
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,480
out of there

582
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,039
we did set up at another area about 70

583
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,000
miles south of there

584
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,720
and we had an enjoyable couple days but

585
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:44,400
when we get together we still wonder

586
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,830
so that was pretty freaky yeah i'd say

587
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,360
so

588
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,159
you get all kinds of stuff i know i got

589
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:00,159
some really weird stuff

590
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,080
rakes and black-eyed weirdos

591
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,679
got a rake too um this isn't the radio

592
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,600
text not you know this is a lot of stuff

593
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,240
that goes on marina texas

594
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,679
uh you know a few weeks ago i posted

595
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,919
an account that i believe may have

596
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,520
involved the rake i talked about in the

597
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,480
last on our last show and uh

598
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,400
rakes are usually described as like pale

599
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:26,240
humanoids with twisted limbs to stick

600
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,880
out

601
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:29,360
in the body all kinds of odd angles

602
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,159
these

603
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,320
nocturnal beings have fingers and then

604
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,080
long talons

605
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,720
which it uses to track its victims some

606
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,960
rakes are known to haunt people

607
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,640
who have had contact with them i

608
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,080
recently received a

609
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,080
sighting report from a guy by the name

610
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:46,240
of james chris james of the

611
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,520
laredo paranormal research society

612
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,039
who believes he encountered one of these

613
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,960
humanoids now

614
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,480
he's referring to the article i had

615
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,400
about penelope

616
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:58,960
and you remember the penelope story yes

617
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,950
so here's where you sent me he said my

618
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:04,720
wife and i were returning from san

619
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,320
antonio texas on a sunday night sometime

620
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,200
around may or

621
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,080
june now first of all people don't know

622
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,600
laredo and the river is

623
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,000
situated right near the border so they

624
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,600
were going south

625
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,919
uh my wife had fallen asleep and so i

626
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,600
turned up the radio and drove south

627
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:22,799
taking i-35

628
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,840
into laredo as we approached

629
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,559
north side of town i turned the cruise

630
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:31,039
control off and dropped down from 65 to

631
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,000
60

632
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,000
to negotiate the curve under the

633
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:35,039
railroad

634
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,950
i was in the right hand lane as i came

635
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,480
close to the bridge

636
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,400
that's when i spotted what at first

637
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,320
looked like a homeless guy

638
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,200
completely naked scuttling along the

639
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,440
embankment of the road

640
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,840
he was skinny pale skin and his arms

641
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,679
looked emaciated

642
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,840
as i passed him i had a creepy feeling

643
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,919
that something about this person was all

644
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,440
wrong

645
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,240
uh the way he moved as well as the way

646
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:07,919
his arms and legs were

647
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,600
animalistic more animalistic than human

648
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,159
with 26 years in law enforce enforcement

649
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,919
i thought about stopping and going back

650
00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,840
to see what this guy was doing

651
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,799
however with my wife along it was close

652
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,600
to midnight

653
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,279
so i just kept going figuring the guy

654
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:26,000
was drunk i told my wife about what i

655
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,919
had seen when we arrived to home she

656
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,559
thought

657
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,400
it sounded like some drunken guy living

658
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,240
underneath the bridge

659
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,840
now after meeting uh apparently this

660
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:37,440
guy's met me once before i don't know

661
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:38,240
when

662
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,120
mentioned the rake and described that

663
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,159
people were what people were reporting

664
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:48,720
i looked at the images on the internet

665
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,679
that they are repo

666
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,080
that are reported to be the rake and

667
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:54,799
sure enough that is what i saw

668
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:57,279
the creature was paralleling the road so

669
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:57,919
i never

670
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,120
saw its face or eyes but the body shape

671
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,799
was as close to the drawings

672
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,360
as i care to get now every time i

673
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,360
approach the railroad bridge i slow down

674
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,120
and take a second look

675
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,760
but so far i have i've only seen it the

676
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,279
one time

677
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,760
uh he says in the process of writing a

678
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,440
book about the rate of paranormal

679
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:19,440
research society

680
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,240
and going to publishing soon now

681
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,400
laredo i tell you loretta's over the

682
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,799
years had a lot of strange things

683
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,840
um probably on one of those ley lines

684
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:33,520
yeah i had one of the yeah that very

685
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,840
well may be i had

686
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:39,520
um uh

687
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,640
a report about a reshape crypt

688
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:45,840
flying ratio crypted a couple years back

689
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:49,039
and he mentioned that to me uh and of

690
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,240
course

691
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,559
you know the tex-mex ufo corridor kind

692
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,640
of goes right through there

693
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,120
and there have been a lot of sightings

694
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,120
on both sides of the um

695
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,640
both sides of the border and

696
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
it's also known for a lot of flying

697
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,679
humanoids

698
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:10,640
uh i'm pretty sure that all i know for a

699
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,279
fact that

700
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,720
um ken gerhart has mentioned a lot of

701
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,480
instances down there himself

702
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,679
in his flying humanoids book uh

703
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,279
so there there have been a lot of things

704
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,480
that have gone on down there and of

705
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,200
course

706
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,080
that's that southern part of texas south

707
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,000
of um

708
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,679
san jose i'm excuse me not saying

709
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,440
there's a san antonio

710
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,520
is known for a lot of weird stuff you

711
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,480
know of course i had those

712
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,440
uh little t-rex sightings down there

713
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,600
i've had about three of those

714
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,720
over the years and uh a lot of other

715
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,559
odds and then so

716
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:47,919
yeah there's there's a lot of weird

717
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,710
this doesn't surprise me well lon you're

718
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:56,320
always going to bring us the latest

719
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,159
when it comes to the strain stuff

720
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:03,120
well i i even got another mothman report

721
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:03,679
too

722
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:07,919
another yeah this was down in dallas

723
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:11,679
no texas san antonio san antonio

724
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,960
yeah this is uh yeah but i think we're

725
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,480
running out of time maybe i'll save that

726
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:18,320
for next week

727
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,360
oh now you're going to keep them in

728
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:21,600
suspense yeah

729
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,200
i love it anyhow guys tonight our guest

730
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,240
is dr raymond a keller a lecturer

731
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,159
of ancient greek and roman culture and

732
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,200
civilization in greco-roman mythology

733
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,799
at west virginia university in

734
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,279
morgantown

735
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,720
uh he's recently come out with his

736
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,440
second book venus rising a concise

737
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,159
history of the second planet

738
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,399
dr keller's book explores many facets of

739
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,320
conditions in life on venus in many

740
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:50,000
dimensions from a perspective

741
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:51,279
conspiracies

742
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,799
history theosophy ufology

743
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:57,039
and current events especially space

744
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,159
research

745
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,070
and of course there we go of the

746
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,039
university of wyoming

747
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,720
wrote the introductions of dr keller's

748
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,159
book

749
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:13,360
and michael la rich of the coast coast

750
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,080
am

751
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,840
radio discussion groups in northeast

752
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,760
ohio wrote the foreword

753
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,120
the lecture is accompanied by a

754
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,960
powerpoint presentation

755
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,960
and followed by a q a session so if

756
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,240
anybody's interested in that they can

757
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,679
check that out

758
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,039
if there's anything you ever wanted to

759
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,880
know about venus

760
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,559
now is the time to have your questions

761
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,880
answered dr keller has lived and worked

762
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:34,559
in 44 different countries has been

763
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,240
writing about ufos since 1967.

764
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,000
he's got his doctorate degree from west

765
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:42,240
virginia university in 2011

766
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,159
focusing on various aspects of venezuela

767
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,000
and his master's from the same institute

768
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:50,240
in 2004. so he's a very educated man

769
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:51,200
lawn

770
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,840
and we're going to be talking about

771
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,960
venus you this ought to be a very

772
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:56,640
interesting discussion

773
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,159
uh ray and i had had a bit of uh

774
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,200
had a bit of a back and forth today

775
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,039
about a few things that were in the book

776
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,799
and i'm telling you

777
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,760
the book is fantastic i i didn't know

778
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,240
what to expect when i started reading it

779
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,960
but uh i think everybody's going to be

780
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:15,679
very

781
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,120
uh

782
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,559
it's it's a lot of stuff that i didn't

783
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,120
know a lot of conspiracy stuff too

784
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,279
so uh when we come back we'll be uh

785
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:26,320
we'll be talking to

786
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,919
ray keller cosmic ray lon's gonna be

787
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,159
taking us to school

788
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,600
uh with dr ray and we're gonna find out

789
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,520
about uh the conspiracies of venus

790
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,480
because i haven't had a chance to read

791
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:39,679
the book yet

792
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:43,360
and i'm excited about this so stay tuned

793
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,000
folks

794
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,080
we'll be right back right after this

795
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:48,240
brief interlude

796
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,440
all right folks welcome back shawn

797
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,799
forker lon strickler

798
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,840
beyond uh no definitely not that arcane

799
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,640
radio

800
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,440
uh here tonight we have dr uh raymond

801
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:01,600
keller cosmic ray with us here

802
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,120
and i'm gonna step to the side while lon

803
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,159
and dr ray kicked us off

804
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,519
yeah ray uh cosmic brayer dr keller but

805
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,399
i'm going to call you ray

806
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:17,519
uh welcome to the show uh i'm i'm glad

807
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,000
to have you

808
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,080
on here after reading this book this is

809
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:21,679
an amazing book

810
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:25,360
uh why don't you tell us why you wrote

811
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,080
this book

812
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,880
and uh some of the misconceptions about

813
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,600
uh

814
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:32,960
about venus all righty um

815
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,880
well i i was the publisher and editor of

816
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:38,960
the new millennial star

817
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:42,440
was a publication back in the 1980s and

818
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,320
1990s as a 160 consecutive monthly

819
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,279
issues

820
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,240
it was a publication of our group called

821
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,600
outer space

822
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,919
international research and investigation

823
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:54,880
society

824
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,240
osiris it was a tabloid paper with a

825
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,559
circulation of about 7

826
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,080
500 primarily in the san joaquin valley

827
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,630
and i did a lot of research extensive

828
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:11,679
research on

829
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:14,960
ufos and and especially the

830
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,000
contact d phenomena uh those who claim

831
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:19,679
contact with beings

832
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:22,720
from other planets coming to visit us

833
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:26,559
and um i

834
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,640
had since gone into teaching i

835
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,760
i finished my um

836
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,559
my bachelor's degree and went on to get

837
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:39,440
a master's degree and a doctoral degree

838
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:39,919
and did

839
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,880
a lot of traveling to other countries so

840
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,120
i kind of put the ufo stuff

841
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,159
on hold but having gone

842
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,279
into the va hospital

843
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:54,559
and having a and having open heart

844
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,519
surgery i had a quadruple bypass

845
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,720
operation and i thought hey it's time

846
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,240
for me to get this stuff down

847
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:04,799
on paper this is important this is

848
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,760
important information that

849
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,640
we'll need in the future and it and uh

850
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:12,960
there are a lot of misconceptions

851
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,399
about uh venus uh our second planet

852
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,519
and um uh first

853
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,000
you know when when we think about it you

854
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,320
know we have the technology ourselves

855
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:28,240
nowadays um uh in our own material plane

856
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:28,799
of

857
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:33,440
live in

858
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,320
in uh other planetary atmospheres

859
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:41,200
maybe maybe those planets might be too

860
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,080
hot or

861
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,559
too cold but we have the technology

862
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:45,360
where we can

863
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,840
construct underground facilities

864
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,480
and to protect our astronauts from the

865
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,519
elements or

866
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:56,880
from surface conditions uh

867
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:01,519
atmospheric conditions radiation

868
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,519
and so forth and given the fact that

869
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,560
given the fact that the recent european

870
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,240
space agency's venus

871
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:13,040
express indicated that there may have

872
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,760
been

873
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,480
advanced life on venus for as much as 2

874
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,280
billion years

875
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,119
that's plenty of time for any

876
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:23,280
civilization to figure out how they

877
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,399
could survive

878
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,639
and even in the third um you know the

879
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,879
third dimension or material level

880
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,960
they could certainly go underground and

881
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,000
uh

882
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,919
and carry on but then i also

883
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,040
um was thinking um you know

884
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,839
are what are what we being told about

885
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,560
venus

886
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,679
by the various space agencies of the

887
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,639
world

888
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,639
accurate because so much of the

889
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,480
information that's coming

890
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,960
from from the former soviet union and

891
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,520
the venue

892
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:56,320
and their venero program continued by

893
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,910
from the uh united states the mariner

894
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:06,240
mariner probes and other probes that

895
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,119
we've sent

896
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,640
a lot of this information is is very uh

897
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,760
is very conflicting and

898
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:16,000
and it doesn't really make sense to me

899
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:16,960
and

900
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,119
i discussed some of some of these

901
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,240
scenarios in the in the book and i'll be

902
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,400
happy to discuss them this evening with

903
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,720
uh with you gentlemen

904
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,440
well ray i guess the the the biggest

905
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,520
question to ask you is

906
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,839
uh do you believe that there are

907
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:37,920
venusians out there

908
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:41,359
oh yes i certainly do um i think

909
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,280
that um that um you know when

910
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,000
we go beyond the the curtain of laughter

911
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:49,760
that was imposed on the

912
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,119
the contactees uh george adamski

913
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:56,800
uh howard menger dana howard and others

914
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,520
uh during the 1950s and early 1960s

915
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,320
if we seriously look at what they had to

916
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,520
say

917
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,240
with an unbiased attitude and an open

918
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,520
mind we see that

919
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,079
hey they really were onto something and

920
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,720
a lot of the things that they said

921
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,200
really make sense and are even being

922
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,640
proven today for example

923
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,760
in adamski's books he talks about

924
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,800
there being 12 planets in the solar

925
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:27,760
system

926
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:31,760
and just recently discoveries were made

927
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:36,720
in spain and also in chile at the

928
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,320
observatory there in the atacama

929
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:43,920
desert region that

930
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,000
that there are trans-neptunian planets

931
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,800
um there are three three more large

932
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,040
objects

933
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,920
one is uh uh bigger than pluto and

934
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,800
another one is

935
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,880
as big as the earth that are out in the

936
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,599
uh in the cooper belt

937
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,200
and uh and then also adamski had uh

938
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,920
had written that there were two asteroid

939
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:09,920
belts in our solar system they're of

940
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,040
course the one that

941
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,240
we know of between uh mars and

942
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,359
and jupiter but also another one that

943
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,320
existed

944
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,480
beyond pluto and we know well that's the

945
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:23,280
cooper belt

946
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:26,720
yeah so

947
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:29,839
in your book i guess the first contact

948
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:34,800
d that you actually start to examine is

949
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,760
is hoskin i guess uh sarah hoskin he

950
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,440
actually called himself rampa i think

951
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,400
it was uh can you talk about yeah can

952
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:44,560
you talk about that a bit

953
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:47,359
oh yes um well he was a plumber in

954
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,079
england

955
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,280
and uh and uh one day he uh

956
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,240
just uh was working in his yard and he

957
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:55,760
he fell off a ladder

958
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,880
suffered a a concussion and uh he was

959
00:38:08,069 --> 00:37:59,760
about to

960
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,079
when women a disembodied

961
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,200
spirit of a

962
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,400
of a former tibetan monk

963
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:17,599
took over his took over his body and

964
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,000
just

965
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,480
carried on where where he left off well

966
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,320
he wrote the third eye

967
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,800
and he wrote many other books uh with

968
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,560
detailed knowledge about

969
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:30,240
tibet tibetan culture tibetan language

970
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:33,839
and they even used his uh his books

971
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,560
in uh at the university of michigan at

972
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,240
marquette and other

973
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,720
uh colleges and universities where they

974
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,520
had tibetan studies programs

975
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,880
and um you know this was a basically

976
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,839
uh an illiterate man i mean he did have

977
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,800
um

978
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,119
he had some basic knowledge and he was

979
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:55,599
interested in theosophy

980
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,320
um but he wasn't um you know

981
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,599
that knowledgeable that that that he

982
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,880
could do all of this

983
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:07,920
on on his own and uh

984
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:11,359
he wrote um on one of his what

985
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,119
his last book was my trip to to venus

986
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,200
tuesday lobsang rampa was his name

987
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,400
and he talks about being on the tibetan

988
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:23,839
plateau

989
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:27,839
and and ascending a mountainous region

990
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:28,160
with

991
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,280
and uh boarding a scout uh scout craft

992
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,320
being taken up into uh

993
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,599
a mothership and then passing through

994
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,000
some kind of transdimensional

995
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,640
uh warp which he describes and it's very

996
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,920
interesting because

997
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:51,280
his description of this passage

998
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:55,359
through through uh interdimensionality

999
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,560
matches the description given centuries

1000
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,200
before by emmanuel swedenborg this

1001
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,480
uh swedish scientist

1002
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:07,359
and uh theologian and he also claimed to

1003
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:07,839
have

1004
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,309
yeah i think some of the um

1005
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:23,040
some of the things that rampa mentioned

1006
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,079
in in other words

1007
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,960
one of them that really struck me that

1008
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:27,680
was that

1009
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,520
the um the entirety of earth was a

1010
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,520
colony for the brotherhood

1011
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,000
and the various extraterrestrial races

1012
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,240
patrolling earth to what

1013
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,560
they can call you know tend to mitigate

1014
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,280
the effects of atomic radiation and

1015
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,960
it was helped to save people earth from

1016
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:46,960
blowing the world to pieces

1017
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,760
so you know we we've heard for many many

1018
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,200
years or people that speculated that

1019
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,720
extraterrestrials

1020
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,200
were actually watching over us so we

1021
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:58,480
didn't

1022
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,880
destroy ourselves uh so

1023
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:05,680
are the venetians or the ones actually

1024
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,319
watching us

1025
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,560
or is it is it are there various other

1026
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,760
extraterrestrial rates

1027
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:12,079
doing that well yes there's a whole

1028
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:13,200
confederation

1029
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:17,920
of of various uh races out there in fact

1030
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,079
recently the uh i think it was in 2009

1031
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,400
the former canadian defense minister

1032
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,470
he made some comments uh while traveling

1033
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,680
uh in russia on a television program

1034
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:34,720
there

1035
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,359
about the existence of some 60

1036
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,520
extraterrestrial races that are known to

1037
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:44,079
uh be living among us and they looked

1038
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,280
for the most part

1039
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,480
they they they looked just like us

1040
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:51,520
right except for some minor

1041
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,200
some minor minor details

1042
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,400
but interestingly enough on on one of

1043
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:00,839
your prior programs with

1044
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,520
uh mrs nick redfern

1045
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,520
you were discussing some of those

1046
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,670
yeah the uh and basically

1047
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,760
the one we were discussing was the

1048
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:16,880
negative rh

1049
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,560
factor and that you know only a small

1050
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,119
portion of the population

1051
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,599
and i think the majority of those come

1052
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,599
from central europe

1053
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:30,400
uh have that rh negative factor in their

1054
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,520
blood

1055
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:34,240
oh yes that that is that is absolutely

1056
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,160
correct and and the uh

1057
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:39,440
that higher concentration is in the uh

1058
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,839
in the pyrenees mountains um extending

1059
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,160
from

1060
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:47,680
the way

1061
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:51,040
across down to uh

1062
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:55,599
down to like the ending in the barcelona

1063
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,760
region in spain and

1064
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,040
this these people um uh

1065
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:06,240
have that different physio physiology

1066
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,560
and

1067
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,000
mark kurlansky's book on the history of

1068
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,079
the bosque people he um

1069
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,280
he goes into great detail about these

1070
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:18,319
uh some of these physiological

1071
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:19,520
differences

1072
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,280
and uh explains the mysterious origins

1073
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:26,560
of the the bosque that their language

1074
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:27,040
doesn't

1075
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,920
uh um coincide with any of the other

1076
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,560
indo-european

1077
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,680
uh language groups their origin is a

1078
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,280
mystery and

1079
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,359
among the basques themselves they

1080
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:40,800
believe that they

1081
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,400
they may have been descended from the

1082
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,480
survivors that escaped from the

1083
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,560
destruction of the lost continent of

1084
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:50,640
atlantis

1085
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,160
right which which um co

1086
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,280
and uh and menger and others uh

1087
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,839
have equated to also having been a

1088
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:02,480
venusian colony at one time

1089
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:06,240
that in the marian uh colony as well

1090
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:06,880
right

1091
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:10,000
they became boring factions yeah yes

1092
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:15,119
the war um the previous cold war

1093
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,880
that existed on the earth but when you

1094
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,319
look at the earth from

1095
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:21,520
from space and you look at the iberian

1096
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,240
peninsula

1097
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,599
it's very easy to identify just like the

1098
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,680
you know just like the great lakes would

1099
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,440
would be the great lakes

1100
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,119
sort of looks like the heart of the

1101
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,359
earth from from

1102
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,640
looking at it and from from out in space

1103
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,200
on a clear day and it's so easy to

1104
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,400
identify the um the iberian

1105
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,680
peninsula as well and my own research i

1106
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,160
found out that on each side of the

1107
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,079
pyrenees on the

1108
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,720
on the that side fronting the atlantic

1109
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,960
ocean and the other side fronting

1110
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:58,560
the uh mediterranean um

1111
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,079
there was um at one time there were

1112
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,280
there was a greek temple on the tavina

1113
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,800
to aphrodite on the um

1114
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:11,920
on the mediterranean side

1115
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,880
and then there was a roman uh temple to

1116
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,680
venus on

1117
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,240
on the other side and it it could have

1118
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:19,599
been that

1119
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:22,800
that this was a flight path for the uh

1120
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,150
during prior ages because uh it just

1121
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,160
serves as an it's just a natural

1122
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,200
beacon and today

1123
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:38,160
uh most of the ufo sightings in europe

1124
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,480
are

1125
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,599
in fact over spain and portugal and

1126
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,640
uh you're right they are yeah yes and

1127
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:45,040
over

1128
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,520
are the countries that jason across from

1129
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:52,480
the

1130
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,000
um

1131
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,720
in the united states uh you know you

1132
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:00,160
would think it would be

1133
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:04,160
um california or new mexico that would

1134
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,800
be

1135
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:07,119
in the league but it's not ohio is

1136
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,319
actually

1137
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,319
uh in the lead and that's right in the

1138
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:11,760
center of the

1139
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:15,280
of the great lakes region and there's a

1140
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:15,839
lot of

1141
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,119
uh belief out there that the great lake

1142
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,359
erie there may be

1143
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,480
a saucer base underneath lake erie

1144
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,839
because there's so many reports of

1145
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,000
unidentified

1146
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:31,680
uh submarine objects and

1147
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:34,960
catalogued over time i i grew up

1148
00:46:41,589 --> 00:46:38,480
between the cleveland area

1149
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:41,599
of bedford ohio as my hometown and

1150
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,760
los angeles but uh ohio is uh definitely

1151
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:48,880
the the mecca for uh uh

1152
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,400
incoming spacecraft well there have

1153
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,800
ever over the last well i don't know

1154
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,400
maybe the last decade or so there have

1155
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:57,680
been a lot

1156
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,040
of craft uh uh

1157
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,079
captured on film above lake erie a lot

1158
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:05,760
of weird

1159
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,520
uh motion and lights in the sky

1160
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
i i've also been in well i've been

1161
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,319
investigating for a while now

1162
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:17,520
uh possible submerged uh craft

1163
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:20,800
entering into um

1164
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,559
into uh lake ontario not far

1165
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,000
actually from hamilton uh

1166
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,880
that there may also be a base underwater

1167
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,280
there as well

1168
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,240
uh but you're right i mean their lake

1169
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:38,720
here itself has had a lot

1170
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,599
a lot of sightings now um you know you

1171
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,119
were mentioning

1172
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,319
uh man this is kind of off topic but i'd

1173
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,240
just like to have your opinion

1174
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,559
where do you think that atlantis

1175
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,119
actually was located

1176
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:56,240
oh i believe that it's just as just

1177
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,480
as plato described it as beyond the

1178
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,319
beyond the pillars of hercules which

1179
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,160
would place it somewhere

1180
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,760
um in the atlantic ocean and uh

1181
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:11,200
we also look at um you know look at the

1182
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:15,280
um the structures and formations and the

1183
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,559
um the azores and uh madeira and

1184
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,790
and other islands in the uh at

1185
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,040
atlantic and it seems that they were

1186
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,359
once part of something

1187
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,559
something bigger when we look at the at

1188
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,119
the structural formations uh

1189
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,240
geological beneath the uh the sea

1190
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,200
and the continental plates and so forth

1191
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,319
in that area

1192
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:45,200
yeah i believe that it was right there

1193
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:48,800
right where plato said it was okay

1194
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,960
um now in the book you had stated that

1195
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,800
these emissaries or maybe one particular

1196
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:56,000
emissary

1197
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:00,160
had stated that uh maybe nasa or just

1198
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:00,480
the

1199
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,990
a bit of a conspiracy about venus and in

1200
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:08,960
fact that

1201
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,319
they were kind of telling us

1202
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:15,680
about the surface being uninhabitable

1203
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:18,960
which is not the the truth that there

1204
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,000
isn't a habitable zone at least

1205
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,520
on surface on venus

1206
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:28,480
oh yes uh well i've done some research

1207
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:29,200
in uh

1208
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,000
in the soviet uh documents and

1209
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:37,599
i had access i followed up leads in the

1210
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,000
uh

1211
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,040
in the gray barker collection in

1212
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,119
clarksburg

1213
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,640
in in in pursuing these and

1214
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:49,440
discovered that there's a lot of things

1215
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:50,160
that

1216
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,640
discovering

1217
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,760
more about about venus in fact

1218
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:00,720
their whole um space program their

1219
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,240
unmanned program was almost exclusively

1220
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,520
uh devoted uh to venus they just

1221
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:10,839
used the moon in a few initial um

1222
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,240
uh tests with uh you know unmanned with

1223
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,240
probes and so forth

1224
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,119
uh but then they they sent over you know

1225
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,480
something like um

1226
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:23,040
25 while the soviet union was around

1227
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,000
they sent

1228
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:27,280
uh over 25 missions uh to

1229
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:31,040
to venus and uh one of the things that

1230
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,079
they talked about

1231
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,200
was uh um the existence

1232
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,400
that like uh uh

1233
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,440
kosarev and others uh that they were

1234
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,160
convinced

1235
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,680
that that venus had a

1236
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:49,200
a breathable um atmosphere and actually

1237
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,119
uh uh temperatures that in some parts as

1238
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:55,359
you said some parts that could

1239
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,160
sustain life and one of the premises

1240
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,920
that they operated on

1241
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,880
was that was based on the fact that

1242
00:51:07,390 --> 00:51:04,160
gases

1243
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:07,400
you know they differ in magnetic uh

1244
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,720
susceptibilities so you have some that

1245
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,000
are paramagnetic

1246
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,040
and others that are diamagnetic um

1247
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:17,839
and it just happens that oxygen uh is

1248
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,240
the most strongly paramagnetic

1249
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,119
and carbon dioxide is is the most

1250
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:26,800
strongly diamagnetic of gases

1251
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,640
so um so what it what that means is that

1252
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,960
is that the forces involved as small but

1253
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,559
if they're combined

1254
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,200
uh with a thermal effect or a green

1255
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,880
greenhouse effect

1256
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,200
then they they should lead to a definite

1257
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,119
tendency for the carbon

1258
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:46,800
dioxide to rise above the oxygen

1259
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,920
not the other way uh not the other way

1260
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:51,280
around

1261
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,960
um so what i'm saying is that since

1262
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:56,960
venus is like the earth

1263
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,240
in size and mass it's only 300 miles in

1264
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:01,440
diameter

1265
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,040
less than the the earth and on a cosmic

1266
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,400
scale that's

1267
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,839
really nothing so the absence of

1268
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:12,480
any significant amount of oxygen would

1269
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:13,040
be

1270
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,240
somewhere so um

1271
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,839
so on the whole you know that the at

1272
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:24,880
that the oxygen

1273
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:27,760
is in the lower atmosphere because the

1274
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:30,839
carbon dioxide has has risen

1275
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,119
has had risen above it so um

1276
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,520
you know therefore there should be there

1277
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:39,520
should be a breathable atmosphere

1278
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,440
un underneath there by all reckoning

1279
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,319
at least in the at least in the soviet

1280
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,480
conception of why they would

1281
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,960
dedicate all this time and money and

1282
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,760
effort to go

1283
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:54,960
to venus rather than mars which

1284
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:57,920
which the americans assume would be the

1285
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,119
more hospitable climate

1286
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,960
well let's talk about some more of the

1287
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:04,400
emissaries uh

1288
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,760
first of all adamski's encounter with

1289
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:09,040
orton now ortho

1290
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,200
was supposedly the um

1291
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:16,400
i guess he was the first emissary to

1292
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,760
be recognized uh in other words but

1293
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,480
adamski

1294
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,599
actually he had met with several

1295
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,880
uh can you explain can you talk about

1296
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,440
orathon and give us a brief

1297
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,000
uh idea who he was and who he said he

1298
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:33,760
was

1299
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,280
okay well um uh orthon is a is an entity

1300
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,880
that identified himself telepathically

1301
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,800
as coming from

1302
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,800
from the second planet in the solar

1303
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:47,839
system from

1304
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:51,200
from venus he had been

1305
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:54,880
in communication with adamski previously

1306
00:54:02,950 --> 00:53:59,599
um through through telepathy

1307
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:02,960
and possibly imparted to him knowledge

1308
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,319
about space and civilizations there

1309
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:09,680
earlier in 1946 sadansky wrote a book

1310
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:10,000
called

1311
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:14,000
pioneers of space which was a which was

1312
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,400
a science fiction novel and uh

1313
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,839
while damski had uh up to that time he

1314
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:22,559
had

1315
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,119
not been um particularly

1316
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,400
um interested in

1317
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:33,760
in outer space or space phenomena

1318
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,000
he was of a receptive mind he was a

1319
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:41,839
member of the theosophical society

1320
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,119
he had a organized

1321
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,079
loyal order of tibet and he did programs

1322
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:49,359
on

1323
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:56,400
tibetan buddhism uh and so forth so he

1324
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,119
was kind of

1325
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,400
receptive to

1326
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,440
advanced knowledge for further light

1327
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,079
and illumination to come so it's not

1328
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:07,520
surprising that

1329
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,760
that that our brothers and sisters of

1330
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:14,640
other planets would happen to choose

1331
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,960
to choose him because they wanted

1332
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,280
somebody that wouldn't you know close

1333
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,359
their mind through

1334
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:26,319
um to this information and and the role

1335
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:26,880
that

1336
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:31,359
he was being asked to play right

1337
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,680
um now let's talk about uh moving

1338
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,680
up a little bit let's let's talk about

1339
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:39,200
valiant thor

1340
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,319
now i had posted an old article i had

1341
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,400
about valiant thor

1342
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:47,440
uh in the newsletter today or on the

1343
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,000
blog

1344
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,280
day but of course

1345
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,720
what he did takes a little explanation

1346
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:57,440
hopefully you can well i know you can

1347
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,240
explain to

1348
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,960
the listeners who valiant thor was what

1349
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,319
he did

1350
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:05,839
and the significance of his uh

1351
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,359
of his trip to uh to earth

1352
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,400
yes um during the um

1353
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,680
in uh in 1957

1354
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:18,880
valiant order was sent as an emissary

1355
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,319
um to the united states um

1356
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,440
to the to the pentagon

1357
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,000
and he was there for a period of three

1358
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,640
of three years

1359
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:33,200
he brought various devices with him to

1360
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:34,240
prove

1361
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,870
he came with a with an agenda from the

1362
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:42,880
hierarchy of light to convince

1363
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,870
about

1364
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:55,750
going out into space venturing out into

1365
00:56:58,109 --> 00:56:56,240
space

1366
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,119
what they would encounter there their

1367
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:59,599
responsibilities

1368
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,119
the existence of a galactic community

1369
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:06,160
and and so forth and

1370
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,880
this was related by

1371
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:13,920
reverend frank strange he was also a

1372
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,200
law enforcement official

1373
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:20,880
and he

1374
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:24,960
by various means ultimately met with

1375
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,079
valiant thor being taken into the

1376
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:31,520
pentagon sort of surreptitiously

1377
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:36,000
um by a mrs warren that's the name that

1378
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:39,680
they just gave to protect her

1379
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,359
and uh so he wrote um um

1380
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,400
up his account of his meeting with with

1381
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,520
valiant thor

1382
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,760
in a book called stranger in the uh

1383
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:51,839
pentagon

1384
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,119
now um what i did in uh in the

1385
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,400
in venus rising was i had uh

1386
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,599
access to um all the papers personal

1387
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,319
papers

1388
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,920
and artifacts of august c roberts who

1389
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,040
he who he was a photographer um

1390
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,839
in new jersey and he he's the one who

1391
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,520
took the pictures

1392
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,559
of um he's the one who took these

1393
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:17,440
pictures

1394
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,040
of valiant thor and and two other of his

1395
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:22,480
crew member

1396
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:25,599
when when they were at the high bridge

1397
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:26,480
farm of

1398
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:30,720
howard menger the contact e and

1399
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,480
and then and then later on

1400
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,160
in speaking with um

1401
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:41,440
with dr strange and putting together

1402
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,559
um an accurate account of it and

1403
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,720
what i did in venus rising in one

1404
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,000
section

1405
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:51,440
was to take the things that

1406
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,799
were circumstantial to the visit of

1407
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,240
valiant thor

1408
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,520
um the the mothership the presence of

1409
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,079
the mothership and the times that

1410
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:04,319
that he indicated what evidence was

1411
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,440
there for it

1412
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,119
and i i actually found quite a bit

1413
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:11,599
um that the arrival of the the

1414
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:14,799
mothership in 1946

1415
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,470
through observations that were made by

1416
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,319
the military

1417
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:28,240
out in new mexico at white sands and

1418
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:28,720
others

1419
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,079
and that were released are investigated

1420
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,000
by retired major donald e kehoe

1421
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:39,040
of uh nycap about the

1422
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,359
president's in in 1954 and 1955

1423
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,559
the united states was tracking uh was

1424
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:47,680
tracking not just

1425
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,440
one but but three um unknown satellites

1426
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,920
that were in orbit around the earth and

1427
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,200
the exact orbit

1428
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,599
that uh valiant thor described the

1429
01:00:01,950 --> 00:59:58,799
mothership

1430
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:01,960
as being in in a particular

1431
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:04,960
geostationary orbit then later on

1432
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,880
um the uh the black knight

1433
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:12,079
the so-called black knight satellite and

1434
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:13,119
then

1435
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,200
black knight satellite

1436
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:20,079
uh from the earth orbit at the same time

1437
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:20,480
that

1438
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:23,920
uh a relatively a short time after

1439
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:27,520
um valiant thor had left

1440
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:30,799
the the pentagon along with another

1441
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:34,720
uh venusian contingent of of about

1442
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,240
70 others here on the earth at that time

1443
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,839
so i actually traced these things to

1444
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,400
real um

1445
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,599
real physical events and

1446
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,400
through contacts in california with the

1447
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:50,160
new millennial star and

1448
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,000
we worked very closely with andy reese

1449
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,040
of the weekly world news and also

1450
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,359
uh gabriel greene of the amalgamated

1451
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,200
flying saucer clubs

1452
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:03,040
of america and i got a lot of

1453
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,319
information

1454
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,359
about uh valiant thor from them that i

1455
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,119
used to fill in the blanks with

1456
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:10,640
strange's story

1457
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,920
in my book venus rising well i tell you

1458
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:14,319
your

1459
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,160
interview with uh with green and others

1460
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:21,599
was very interesting uh can you go over

1461
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:22,480
that a little bit

1462
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,599
uh because this involves roswell

1463
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,400
and a few a few other things that they

1464
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:30,319
put together for you

1465
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,000
oh yes um yes i'll be delighted to uh

1466
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:37,119
i'll be delighted to do that

1467
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:40,480
and uh also um besides just

1468
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,920
um the the interview itself i i made

1469
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,760
sure that it was documented and

1470
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:47,599
footnoted so that

1471
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:52,000
as as as strange and incredible

1472
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,599
as as the uh the dialogue may seem i

1473
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,119
mean it sounds like it's from a

1474
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,680
hollywood picture

1475
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,240
but if you if you pay really close

1476
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:04,079
attention and look at the

1477
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:05,839
at the footnotes and see what they're

1478
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:07,520
saying you could

1479
01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:10,960
you could tell it's for real that it's

1480
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:11,359
not

1481
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,400
story it's beyond

1482
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:18,559
it you know it's beyond imagination

1483
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,440
because it's

1484
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,559
it's authentic well i tell you uh before

1485
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,160
you start talking about it

1486
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,359
i will say it floored me it really did i

1487
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,559
uh because that's

1488
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:33,200
that's why i kept mentioning how well

1489
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:34,000
sourced your book

1490
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,520
was and uh it did i because i went and

1491
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,400
checked everything as i was reading and

1492
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,640
yeah it's uh it's an amazing it's an

1493
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:43,920
amazing interview so

1494
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,319
i'll let you talk about it okay um

1495
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:54,150
kind of it's it's pretty deep and it's

1496
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:55,039
it's long

1497
01:03:03,510 --> 01:02:59,200
so i'll try to i will try to

1498
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,520
summarize it there's um

1499
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,599
there's an individual in the book and i

1500
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:07,440
don't want to

1501
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,400
um give it away but this it's an

1502
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:11,760
individual

1503
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:16,160
a friend of gabriel greene um

1504
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:20,319
she is meeting with uh andy reitz myself

1505
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:24,640
um and uh another member of uh

1506
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:27,680
osiris and we're outside of uh

1507
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,160
gabriel green's house in yucca valley

1508
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,079
california there's a little

1509
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,680
like a private chapel that's not

1510
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:37,920
far from there and gabe frequently goes

1511
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,280
there to

1512
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:42,839
um to to meet with

1513
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,200
people and uh are in the ufo community

1514
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,200
so we're we're kind of having putting

1515
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,359
our heads together to find out what's

1516
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:53,920
going on with the venusians

1517
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,039
because our our friend who traveled from

1518
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:58,480
south america

1519
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:02,319
to uh to meet with us is intimately

1520
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:06,480
connected um to the planet venus

1521
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,359
and uh let me see if i can find that

1522
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:11,359
section i'll read some

1523
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:18,390
okay the book is the book is over

1524
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,559
um 300 pages and it is

1525
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:25,520
it's fully illustrated and the pages are

1526
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:26,079
pages

1527
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,599
are large and so there's a lot of

1528
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,000
there's definitely a lot of information

1529
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:34,400
in here

1530
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,829
well the the lady that we're meeting

1531
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:50,880
with um

1532
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,160
helped to sign she helped design a dress

1533
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:56,079
that was used in them in the movie

1534
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:58,160
forbidden planet

1535
01:05:02,470 --> 01:04:59,760
that's i can give you that i can give

1536
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:02,480
you that clue

1537
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,079
okay but i don't want to give it all

1538
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,079
away because i'd like i understand

1539
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:10,240
i like people that go out and buy this

1540
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:11,839
book

1541
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:15,280
right okay

1542
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,640
um all right deborah

1543
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,880
uh you knew howard menger quite well did

1544
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,000
he ever mentioned any

1545
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,039
of this to you yes ray he did

1546
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,799
this is all part of an even bigger

1547
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,039
cover-up than anyone can imagine

1548
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:31,200
while everyone thought the atomic bomb

1549
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,960
which generates an

1550
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:35,280
explosion from a single fission reaction

1551
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,559
was bad enough

1552
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,640
nobody realized that they were already

1553
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,319
developing and testing

1554
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,359
thermonuclear two-stage devices as early

1555
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:45,280
as 1947.

1556
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:48,640
so i'm giving a rationale here for why

1557
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:49,280
the

1558
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,680
gabe says he recalls message being

1559
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:03,119
transmitted as an

1560
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,160
override signal across western european

1561
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:08,160
and american television stations

1562
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:09,359
throughout the mid

1563
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:12,400
1950s and early 1960s

1564
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:15,359
and the jammer identified himself as a

1565
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,160
venusian

1566
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:19,280
too and this was a this was a political

1567
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:19,920
message

1568
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:23,680
um about nuclear disarmament

1569
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:27,280
and about caution in

1570
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,319
in the world

1571
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,559
geopolitical and military powers and

1572
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,319
venturing into space

1573
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,240
you know venturing into the venusians

1574
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,680
backyard

1575
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,400
then andy says he i remember that too

1576
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:42,400
there was a venusian that went by and

1577
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:43,599
poor

1578
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:46,640
uh vor and he said it was an acronym

1579
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:47,920
that stood for

1580
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:50,960
venusian observation ranger and

1581
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:54,720
this was uh um i don't know if this

1582
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:57,839
was a reveal venusian or or what but

1583
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,240
televisions throughout southern

1584
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,640
california

1585
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:05,200
across multi-channels the signals and

1586
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:06,160
the vhf

1587
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:10,880
band were being blanked out in the 1960s

1588
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,480
uh at the same time that

1589
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,119
in the 50s when uh you know these

1590
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:19,440
conventions were being held out at giant

1591
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,559
rock and

1592
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,520
talking about nuclear disarmament and

1593
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:24,799
and peace between

1594
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:28,480
the nations and whether it was a prank

1595
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:28,799
or

1596
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:31,839
venusian uh uh

1597
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:35,119
we don't know but then i said well in my

1598
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:35,920
opinion

1599
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,950
superhero so uh

1600
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,640
let's see some of the other things in

1601
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:46,640
there is um

1602
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,359
uh talking about the bodies of the

1603
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:50,880
crashed uh

1604
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:56,319
i talked about the jackie gleason

1605
01:08:02,630 --> 01:07:59,760
the article about jackie gleason yeah

1606
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:02,640
that was in the inquirer in 1983 and

1607
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:03,760
about the eight

1608
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,880
the eight bodies that were at the air

1609
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,720
force base in florida

1610
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,880
that was homestead right yes that's

1611
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:12,400
that's right

1612
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:16,000
and um so um

1613
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,359
let's see okay all right

1614
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:22,080
uh deborah also i might add that howard

1615
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,359
explained how the sec

1616
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,440
how the scout craft largely depend on

1617
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:28,000
the utilization of electromagnetic lines

1618
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,040
of force

1619
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,120
surrounding the earth they can only

1620
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,120
operate in the earth's atmosphere

1621
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,319
or in close vicinity to the earth other

1622
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,000
than that they are dependent upon the

1623
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:40,239
magnetic field of the mothership

1624
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:42,319
well on their own in space but for a

1625
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,520
limited range

1626
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,520
while it was easy enough for the scout

1627
01:08:49,269 --> 01:08:47,279
craft to be annihilated

1628
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,279
being caught up in a thermonuclear

1629
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,960
explosion

1630
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,880
bringing down a mother ship would take

1631
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,480
the power output

1632
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,239
that could only be generated by a

1633
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,640
literal death star a dyson sphere

1634
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,880
armed with quantum particle beams an

1635
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:02,400
object about the size

1636
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:05,679
of near the cloak moon of venus

1637
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,719
to estimate could probably do the trick

1638
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,960
and then gate fortunately for all of us

1639
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:12,719
it will take millennia before the

1640
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,359
terrans

1641
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,359
earthlings reach that level of

1642
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:16,640
technological

1643
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,560
civilization okay and then

1644
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,440
um then i asked did the saucers i asked

1645
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,600
gabe did the sausage occupants survive

1646
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,719
the crashes

1647
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,040
and gabe said no not a one their bodies

1648
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:30,799
were mangled but not beyond

1649
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,759
recognition and partial reconstruction

1650
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,839
autopsies revealed that there were some

1651
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,839
slight eye facial finger

1652
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,839
and hand characteristics that only a

1653
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,359
close observer

1654
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,759
could could spot that could distinguish

1655
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,600
them as alien beings

1656
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,759
they were all of average height and

1657
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:49,759
relatively human in appearance there

1658
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,880
were four

1659
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,040
in each craft of the occupants there

1660
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:55,199
were three women and one man in each

1661
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,880
saucer

1662
01:10:02,070 --> 01:09:59,120
then i said that's with jackie gleason's

1663
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,080
wife that would be june mckittrick

1664
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,239
instead her husband saw at an air force

1665
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:05,360
base in florida

1666
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:08,960
eight alien bodies in all

1667
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:12,560
and then uh yvonne makes a joke and says

1668
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,000
well inquiring minds ought to know

1669
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:17,920
because there was an inquiry right yeah

1670
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,950
okay then

1671
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,270
it is true that nixon did take jackie

1672
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:29,360
gleason to see the bodies

1673
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,120
yes uh and then and then i talk about

1674
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,719
their transference

1675
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,040
uh to the air technical intelligence

1676
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,840
recon center at dayton ohio

1677
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,239
uh from the from the new mexico base

1678
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,320
that with temporary base that was

1679
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,640
set up and asked the question what did

1680
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,560
they discover about the aliens that

1681
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:49,760
convinced them

1682
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:52,800
that they were actually venusians and

1683
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:53,120
you

1684
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,520
frank scully previously about uh

1685
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:02,719
about a saucer crash um

1686
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,920
at uh i think it was aztec and uh yeah

1687
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,199
the aztec

1688
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,840
yes in a venusian connection there but

1689
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,280
gabe says

1690
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,360
among both the sausage debris fields

1691
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,520
some electrical apparatuses were

1692
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,760
discovered partially intact

1693
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,600
thrown at some considerable distance

1694
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:21,440
from their respective craft

1695
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,840
and she's in a durable thermoplastic

1696
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,440
polymer substance

1697
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,920
later duplicated in american labs and

1698
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,760
known as propylene

1699
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,760
research scientists at international

1700
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:33,760
business machines in new york

1701
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,560
city and radio corporation of america

1702
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:38,480
labs in cleveland ohio

1703
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,480
were given the assignment of restoring

1704
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:42,400
at least some of the electronics the

1705
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:43,679
working order

1706
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,960
rca succeeded in reactivating a type of

1707
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,719
television recorder displaying

1708
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,719
mathematical equations

1709
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,920
relating to an interplanetary trajectory

1710
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,320
for the mothership from venus to earth

1711
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,719
as well as the deployment of scout craft

1712
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:01,040
in the vicinity of top secret american

1713
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,080
and soviet

1714
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:05,120
military research facilities determining

1715
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,320
the venusian

1716
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,280
number system was relatively easy as it

1717
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:12,239
roughly corresponds to our own but also

1718
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:15,600
incorporates a sort of spiral notation

1719
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,880
matrix the venusian alphabet if you can

1720
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,600
call it that

1721
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,840
was a little more difficult to deal with

1722
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,360
than the numbers

1723
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:25,440
as it was mostly determined to be a

1724
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,640
pictographic

1725
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,120
system something akin to egyptian

1726
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,669
now these bodies uh

1727
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:38,480
are these venetians they're they aren't

1728
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:39,920
carbon based they were

1729
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,719
it was a silicon based yes they were so

1730
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:43,760
they were silicon

1731
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,800
based so i i i asked about that i said

1732
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,719
what is it about the alien bodies that

1733
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,280
set them apart from humans on earth

1734
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,280
then gabe responded there are several

1735
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:56,640
remarkable differences

1736
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,600
but not so outwardly noticeable first

1737
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,679
they didn't have the spiral dna

1738
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,239
strands found in nearly all indigenous

1739
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:06,480
life forms on earth

1740
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,080
so can you explain that further

1741
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,480
um gabe yes i mean their cells were

1742
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,800
actually composed of lattice crystal

1743
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,199
hexagonal structures similar in

1744
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:19,360
composition to the walls of the scout

1745
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,159
craft

1746
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,000
it's almost as though they were

1747
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,480
artificially constructed beings

1748
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,320
that you know that's what i thought when

1749
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,159
i read that were they actually

1750
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,360
engineered yes that's and they

1751
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,600
they were designed to easily and quickly

1752
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:35,840
disassemble and reassemble

1753
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,560
but their cells were silicon based

1754
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,159
rather than carbon based

1755
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,719
and it was conjectured that somehow the

1756
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,440
hydrogen bombs implosion and subsequent

1757
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,040
uranium

1758
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,679
radiation atmospheric dispersals fused

1759
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:50,880
enough of their cells

1760
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,719
into sheets of a sort of aluminum glass

1761
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,880
that their disassembly reassembly

1762
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:58,480
capabilities were

1763
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,239
were impeded and then and then i found

1764
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,000
some information from

1765
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,320
the report uh revealed by donald e kehoe

1766
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,880
in flying saucers are real

1767
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,000
concerning project fine and i was able

1768
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:17,679
to read some some of the project sign

1769
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:20,560
uh report and went into detail about

1770
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:22,080
this explaining

1771
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:25,840
how the how the beings

1772
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,880
of a silicon nature are equated with

1773
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,280
with venus so i'll i'll just read some

1774
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:33,120
of this uh

1775
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,719
just a little bit of it as for the

1776
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,640
possibilities of

1777
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,880
of life on the planet venus revealed in

1778
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:40,480
the sign report kehoe

1779
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,600
quotes since flying sausage first hit

1780
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,760
the headlines almost two years ago there

1781
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:47,360
has been a wide

1782
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,600
speculation that the aerial phenomena

1783
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:51,440
might actually be

1784
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:54,080
some form of penetration from another

1785
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,040
planet

1786
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,920
the possibility of intelligent life also

1787
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,040
existing

1788
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:01,679
on the planet venus is not considered

1789
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,640
completely unreasonable by astronomers

1790
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,280
the atmosphere of venus apparently

1791
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:10,400
consists mostly of carbon dioxide

1792
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,679
with the clouds of formaldehyde droplets

1793
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:16,000
and there seems to be little or no water

1794
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:17,280
yet

1795
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,480
scientists can see that living organisms

1796
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:21,679
might develop

1797
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,560
in chemical environments which are

1798
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,560
strange to us this is from project time

1799
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:29,360
to the earth the air force

1800
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,560
venus however has two handicaps her mass

1801
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,560
and gravity are nearly as large as the

1802
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,520
earth mars is

1803
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,920
smaller and a cloudy atmosphere would

1804
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,840
discourage astronomy and space

1805
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,480
travel but kehoe effectively argues

1806
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:43,520
against

1807
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,239
venus option because of that planet's

1808
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,480
high gravity and cloudy atmosphere

1809
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,360
noting that

1810
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,600
the last argument i thought did not have

1811
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,120
too much weight

1812
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:57,199
we were planning to escape the earth's

1813
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:58,480
gravity

1814
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,520
this was simple rocketry as

1815
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,280
for the cloudy atmosphere they could

1816
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:05,440
have developed some system of radio

1817
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:08,960
or radar investigation of the universe

1818
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,000
the navy research units i knew were

1819
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,560
even at that time probing the far off

1820
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:16,560
crab nebula and the milky way

1821
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:19,199
with special radio devices the same

1822
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,560
method or something far

1823
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:22,880
superior could have been developed on

1824
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,679
venus

1825
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,679
or on other planets surrounded by

1826
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,280
constant clouds

1827
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,320
also one of the prominent

1828
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,640
astronomical authorities consulted by

1829
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:34,159
the air force personnel

1830
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,760
at project sign was dr h spencer jones

1831
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,679
the astronomer royale

1832
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:42,560
of the british isles the signed report

1833
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,120
goes on to state that quote

1834
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,600
in his book life on other worlds dr

1835
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:49,120
jones points out that

1836
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:51,679
everything about us is a result of

1837
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:54,320
changing processes

1838
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:58,159
begun millennium ago and still going on

1839
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:01,199
we cannot define life solely in our own

1840
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:05,440
terms it can exist in unfamiliar forms

1841
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,960
in the book dr jones elaborates

1842
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,280
uh it is conceivable that we could have

1843
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:13,760
beings the cells of whose bodies

1844
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,880
contain silicon instead of the carbon

1845
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,800
which is an essential difference between

1846
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,400
the constitution

1847
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,320
of those cells and the cells at which

1848
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,920
animal and plant life

1849
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,400
on the earth are built up they might be

1850
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,440
able to exist at temperatures so high

1851
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:32,640
that no types of terrestrial life

1852
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:35,760
could survive therefore at least

1853
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:38,560
according to dr jones life could be

1854
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:39,440
possible on

1855
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,320
other worlds hotter and drier than ours

1856
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:44,000
a planet like venus

1857
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:47,760
for example so the things about this

1858
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:50,960
is just remember that this report

1859
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,000
project sign report was written one year

1860
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,800
after the new mexico crashes the project

1861
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,080
signed sign

1862
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:01,520
air for newly created air force before

1863
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,480
1948 and it was written by government

1864
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:06,800
insiders with both a need to know

1865
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:12,239
and access to at least some of the data

1866
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,159
well now one thing i do want to ask you

1867
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,080
about now the bodies were said to be

1868
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,679
at whom homestead now

1869
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:24,239
homestead right now is is not there i

1870
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:25,040
mean it

1871
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,640
the hurricane i don't forget what

1872
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:28,320
hurricane what alex

1873
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:31,360
took it out i've been told

1874
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:34,560
now through a few sources of mine that

1875
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:37,840
the bodies are now at eckland in

1876
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,719
in florida have you ever heard anything

1877
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:42,480
about that

1878
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:45,440
uh no i haven't heard about um uh about

1879
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:45,760
the

1880
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,270
of those bodies yeah that's what i that

1881
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,800
this is what i've been told actually i

1882
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,320
had two people tell me this and

1883
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,080
you know i don't know what i can't

1884
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,000
really say what basis it was that that

1885
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,760
information came from

1886
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,560
but that you were right that they went

1887
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,560
to wright patterson first and then

1888
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:07,440
they were stored somewhere in florida i

1889
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:08,000
didn't know anything

1890
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,080
about the homestead but i was told that

1891
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,800
that as of now the year was maybe 10

1892
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,000
years ago

1893
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,560
that they were at eckland uh air force

1894
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,760
base

1895
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:21,040
now i don't know what kind of facility

1896
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,560
they have there now but you know

1897
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:27,440
i i wouldn't be surprised if they were

1898
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:28,480
um

1899
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:36,159
either in underground in in new mexico

1900
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:39,520
or or possibly uh possibly in

1901
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:47,910
the one thing about this uh about this

1902
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:51,760
crash about the uh the roswell crash

1903
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,600
and that you mentioned in there were the

1904
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:56,560
insectoids

1905
01:20:03,110 --> 01:19:59,760
and more specifically the bees can you

1906
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,120
explain that yes uh well in the

1907
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,080
in the book and and and it's it's

1908
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:07,679
interesting because a large

1909
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:10,639
segment of of readers and purchasers of

1910
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:13,520
this book are beekeepers

1911
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:17,040
but uh but uh but going back to uh

1912
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:19,840
going back to the very first ufo book

1913
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:22,719
that was ever published

1914
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:25,600
on saucer as they were called back in

1915
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:33,510
riddle of the flying saucers and

1916
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:36,639
um he proposed he now he was a

1917
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:39,760
he was an associate of um

1918
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,760
of um timothy leary uh

1919
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:46,239
huxley and others that were on the

1920
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:49,360
cutting edge of societal change

1921
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,830
professors of comparative religions so

1922
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:00,560
um

1923
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:03,760
uh when he's not uh you know

1924
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:07,440
just some quack writing this book but

1925
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:10,639
he seriously proposed that uh that

1926
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:15,280
uh the flying saucers were manned by uh

1927
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,320
by bees intelligent bees coming from

1928
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:19,679
other planets in our

1929
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,199
in our solar system and

1930
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,600
and so when when we look when we go back

1931
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:27,600
into history we see that this isn't

1932
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,000
really

1933
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:31,840
so far-fetched after all um

1934
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:34,400
the theosophists and the sufis for

1935
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,040
example

1936
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:36,960
believe that the bees were brought to

1937
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:41,120
the earth originally from venus

1938
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:45,280
some 18 to 25 million years ago

1939
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:48,560
and uh despite all the evolutionary

1940
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,520
uh and geological changes that have

1941
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,239
occurred with other species and with our

1942
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:56,960
with our planet the bees have remained

1943
01:22:04,070 --> 01:21:57,360
uh

1944
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:04,080
then we look at the the organization of

1945
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:04,560
the

1946
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,719
we see that tesla himself nikola tesla

1947
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:12,560
who has a lot of venusian

1948
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,840
connections was obsessed with bees

1949
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,760
he wrote a lot about these the

1950
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:19,199
organization

1951
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:22,840
of the hives and the collective

1952
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:26,239
collectivization of society and so forth

1953
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,679
and uh he believed that the beehive was

1954
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,120
a great model for us

1955
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,920
to follow in the days of the the

1956
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,000
troubadours

1957
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,040
um the sufis uh uh

1958
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,239
well the in the days of the crusades um

1959
01:22:46,229 --> 01:22:44,480
and the crusaders there were four

1960
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,239
different crusades that were

1961
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:49,440
launched from europe into uh

1962
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,040
into the middle east and naturally

1963
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:56,159
um islam

1964
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:59,199
then as now is not a monolithic thing

1965
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,159
there were

1966
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:02,960
there was a lighter side to it a more

1967
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,840
accepting side in this in the sufis

1968
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,400
they were that they're like a mystical

1969
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:09,520
branch

1970
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:13,040
of islam and they believed that the key

1971
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,320
to revelation

1972
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,600
receiving revelation was from the bees

1973
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:20,560
and that the beasts were bees were very

1974
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,600
sacred

1975
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:23,600
so this this knowledge and they also

1976
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:25,280
believed there was a connection of the

1977
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:26,159
bees with

1978
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,480
with the divine feminine and and the

1979
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,880
planet venus

1980
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:33,360
but when the when the crusaders came

1981
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:34,719
back and then

1982
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,560
and then the movement among the

1983
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,639
troubadours and so forth

1984
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,440
uh later evolved into the religion of

1985
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:42,960
the cathars

1986
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:51,990
and associated with the divine feminine

1987
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:52,480
and with

1988
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:55,840
uh with venus and there was a purge

1989
01:24:03,350 --> 01:23:59,920
of the cathars because they had set up

1990
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:03,360
communes in in france in southern france

1991
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:03,600
in

1992
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,920
italy where they wanted to model their

1993
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:07,199
whole society

1994
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:10,239
on the on a beehive and uh

1995
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:13,840
they wanted to collectivize and uh

1996
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,480
and have uh you know have a queen and

1997
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,440
run everything

1998
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:21,120
just like um just like a beehive and

1999
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:21,760
they kind of

2000
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:24,639
they set up these utopian communities so

2001
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:26,159
obviously the

2002
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:29,120
church couldn't let that stand it's too

2003
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:29,679
too

2004
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:33,600
literally went in and massacred

2005
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:37,440
whole communities of these people but

2006
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,280
um this the the symbology of the bee

2007
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:43,920
of the divine nature of the bee goes

2008
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,400
back

2009
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:47,520
to through babylon through

2010
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:52,639
egypt it's it exists in

2011
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,470
it's in in mormonism they call you know

2012
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:03,440
utah is the beehive state they have the

2013
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:07,280
uh statue of the beehive on the uh

2014
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:11,760
capital steps uh it's a sacred and

2015
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:14,880
or it's uh you know it's uh respected

2016
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:15,840
and masonry

2017
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,960
and so forth so um there's a definite

2018
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:20,639
connection of the bees

2019
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,960
uh with the planet venus that has

2020
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:23,920
already been

2021
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:27,199
established in a historical um

2022
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:30,080
context beyond just uh you know beyond

2023
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:30,480
just

2024
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,000
uh helena blavatsky and the theosophy

2025
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,120
so this is um this this is a real thing

2026
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,120
but in the

2027
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:42,320
in the um in the uh

2028
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:45,760
in the context of this uh um

2029
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,040
i look at uh i look at uh

2030
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:51,600
a lot of things and equate it to the

2031
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:52,960
bees like the crop

2032
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:55,920
circles there are many that have a

2033
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:03,669
fibonacci and i have a you know a

2034
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:06,840
picture of the crop sole

2035
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,239
um uh the way you determine the amount

2036
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,239
of bees in the hive it's always going to

2037
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,719
be a fibonacci number

2038
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,719
and the fibonacci number is

2039
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,199
representative of the divine feminine

2040
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,520
and why is it representative the divine

2041
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:23,440
feminine because in the ancient

2042
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:26,800
esoteric schools of

2043
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,360
of wisdom they they plotted the orbit

2044
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:33,760
of they knew a lot more about science

2045
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:36,159
than we give them credit for

2046
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:38,960
they they plotted the orbit of the earth

2047
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:39,440
and

2048
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:46,000
um for every eight orbits of

2049
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:49,360
of venus around the sun there were

2050
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:50,080
exactly

2051
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:53,520
five so that um

2052
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:56,080
of the of the earth so that eight to

2053
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:57,199
five ratio

2054
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,639
is of is in the fibonacci sequence

2055
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:02,880
and when you when you look at how the

2056
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:05,280
beehive is patterned and so forth and

2057
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:05,840
you see

2058
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:10,159
the and you calculate

2059
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:14,320
by the different types of bees

2060
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,560
you you see that um

2061
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,639
it's always going the number of bees in

2062
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:22,400
a hive always works out to be a

2063
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:23,920
fibonacci number so i

2064
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:27,040
explained that in the um

2065
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:30,800
in the book as well as the the

2066
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:34,080
orbital symmetries of the origin of the

2067
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:35,120
pentagram

2068
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:38,719
also in the five close conjunctions of

2069
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:43,199
of uh venus with the earth in the

2070
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,400
uh in the eight year pollution cycle

2071
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:49,760
and uh so it really gets uh deep into

2072
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:51,440
all this stuff about

2073
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:54,960
about the bees weren't you told that uh

2074
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:58,400
that in the spacecraft that

2075
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:01,120
actually crashed at roswell that there

2076
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:01,920
were

2077
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,040
three to five foot bees

2078
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:08,000
in these craft yes there were bees bomb

2079
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:09,679
that were embedded in the

2080
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,960
um in the literally embedded in the

2081
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:14,000
walls of the the

2082
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:18,000
craft and they were they were taken to

2083
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:19,040
uh texas a

2084
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:22,719
m university to uh um to a special

2085
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:24,080
center where these

2086
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,870
well you know what i i tell you

2087
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,960
the show's good about we've got to read

2088
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,199
that time at the end of the show

2089
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,719
i i think we're going to have to have

2090
01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:40,400
ray come back home with us sometime

2091
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:40,960
because

2092
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:43,360
there's just so much to talk about let

2093
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,120
alone david bowie

2094
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,080
is part of this as well that he may have

2095
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:50,320
had a bit of production as well

2096
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,600
um which kind of seems appropriate for

2097
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,960
the times

2098
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:57,840
uh it's it's a very interesting book it

2099
01:29:03,669 --> 01:28:59,840
really is and uh

2100
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:03,679
the fact that uh another thing too i

2101
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,000
mean

2102
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:07,360
a connection to like the uh the book of

2103
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:08,480
enoch where they

2104
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:13,600
called the the mantis the insectoids

2105
01:29:19,270 --> 01:29:17,280
as the watchers that they were

2106
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,280
the watcher beings that came down to

2107
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:21,360
watch over humans

2108
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:25,760
oh yes and yes and i tie that into the

2109
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:29,440
um the the uh co-op stargate of the

2110
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:34,000
the mormons oh yeah that's right

2111
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,520
it's an interesting it's an interesting

2112
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:37,520
book i mean it really is i had

2113
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:40,239
i i highly recommend it it's just so

2114
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:40,880
much

2115
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:43,120
in there just no way you can talk about

2116
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:43,920
it in an

2117
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,120
hour but uh oh it's the texas a

2118
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:49,440
m honeybee research lab at college

2119
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:50,400
station

2120
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,639
oh okay texas a m okay okay

2121
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,520
well ray i tell you i i it was great

2122
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:59,199
having you on with us this is a lot of

2123
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:00,560
interesting stuff

2124
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,600
we did really didn't even

2125
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:05,679
get into much of any of it we got i

2126
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:06,719
guess the

2127
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:10,080
the the main points but i

2128
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,600
there's a lot more there uh is it is it

2129
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:16,159
possible you come back with us one time

2130
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:19,440
oh yes lon and sean no no problem

2131
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,239
i would love to i think your your

2132
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:24,400
program is really on the

2133
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,880
on the cutting edge i know that that

2134
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,400
your audience is

2135
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,520
is ever growing and is is

2136
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:34,560
uh into the arcane and the

2137
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:37,760
paranormal to a degree not uh not seen

2138
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,320
in uh

2139
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:40,400
in other programs so i would be

2140
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:41,360
delighted

2141
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:47,910
okay ray well thanks again and uh we'll

2142
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,920
be in contact with you

2143
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,320
alrighty gentlemen i made the effulgent

2144
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,400
light of venus forever be your guiding

2145
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:55,679
star

2146
01:31:04,870 --> 01:31:03,590
dr ray keller folks lon you really took

2147
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:04,880
it away there

2148
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:07,520
well let me tell you there's a lot i was

2149
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,719
fascinated with a lot of what

2150
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:11,360
was in the book it was um oh just so

2151
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:12,239
much there

2152
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:15,679
and uh some of the teams that he makes

2153
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:18,800
in the conspiracy theories as well

2154
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:23,040
uh talking about discussing

2155
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:26,080
just like uh j allen heineck and his

2156
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:27,199
connection

2157
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:30,400
to secret government programs that

2158
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,840
people

2159
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:34,239
really didn't know about i mean it it's

2160
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:35,840
it's just fascinating

2161
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:38,480
it really is there's a lot there well i

2162
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:40,400
was absorbing as much as i could

2163
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:43,440
i need to read the book yeah it i i

2164
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,360
suggest to highlight

2165
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:47,440
and the book of course is called venus

2166
01:31:51,910 --> 01:31:48,960
rising

2167
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,920
and written by dr raymond keller folks

2168
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:53,600
you've been listening to arcane radio

2169
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:56,239
sean forker lon strickler thank you very

2170
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:57,199
much

2171
01:32:01,189 --> 01:31:58,719
we'll see you next week lot who's our

2172
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:05,270
uh we have brett oldham coming on

2173
01:32:11,189 --> 01:32:08,719
and he is a contacting an experiencer

2174
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:11,199
well there you go folks more aliens next